so what about suicide?

[vickiex]

is anyone else here like me and doesn't see why suicide is such an aweful thing.

yes i understand that the loss to family members is tragic and hard.
but if a person is suffering? why cant they be in control of their own life?
and the social tabo about it all.. The sterotypes and everything.

why is it such an aweful thing that someone wants to stop suffering. people should celebrate the fact their not hurting anymore. like they would a natural death.

anyone else agree? dissagree?

x

[Blue]

is anyone else here like me and doesn't see why suicide is such an aweful thing.

yes i understand that the loss to family members is tragic and hard.
but if a person is suffering? why cant they be in control of their own life?
and the social tabo about it all.. The sterotypes and everything.

why is it such an aweful thing that someone wants to stop suffering. people should celebrate the fact their not hurting anymore. like they would a natural death.

anyone else agree? dissagree?

x

You may feel like crap at the time you are conteplating suicide or attempting suicide, and feel there is no way out, and all is hopeless and it must be the only way to end your suffering.

But if you survive suicide, and I hope that you or anyone else reading this does not even consider trying to kill yourself.

Anyhow, speaking from experience there will be many times after your recovery from suicide attempt that you will be glad that you are still here on earth. And that you will thank "whoever" that you are still here.

Trust me I know, I am a survivor, and I am glad I am still here.

It might not apply to all survivors of suicide, but it will apply to most survivors.

You will appreciate "still being here", because you will notice little things that bring you happiness and the appreciation of life, such things as a TV program that you look forward to every night, or enjoying a new hobby that you have taken up, or sleeping in, in the mornings, or having one of your favourite meals. Going to the movies and feeling happy, or a movie that makes you cry, cuddling up to your dog or cat, And so much more. All the things that make you happy without even realising it.

I have heard of people who purely believe that people are 100% entitled to commit suicide if they are unhappy. I think there are even stupid political partys for it.

Thats wrong in my opinion and very sad.

I do agree with euthanasia, if you or someone has a terminal illness and wants to be free of the pain associated with it.

But Mental Illness, depression and all the others which come with it is not a terminal illness.

I disagree with your opinion, you are entitled to think what you think.

I do feel that most people will think of committing suicide throughout their life, even if it is just a fleeting thought, I feel that is normal when things a really bad, but it does not mean that you really should take your own life.

[eeyore]

I have felt suicidal on and off throughout my illness and i agree that sometimes it really does feel like the only way out. I know 2 people who have killed themselves and the devastation they leave behind is unbelievable. Im not in a position to judge anyone but i do think its a very selfish act. I know that is easy for me to say as i am reasonably well at the moment, but whatever your mental illness or condition suicidal thoughts are rarely permanent, you can move on, i am living proof

[sentient7]

I can see both points.
Sometimes depression particularly coupled with anxiety can be downright unbearable and just mentally agonising. I can understand why some people do it. Might sound wrong to say or whatever but i can understand it.

I have felt things recently that have made me understand alot of things that i never used to. Self harm in particular.
I never used to understand people hurting themselves even if its not to kill yourself as with the case of cutters.

But recently i have felt such anguish such frustration and torment and when i have been honest with certain people about how i feel i have been met with hostility and threatens of abandonment ect.
In blind panic i try my best to go along with whatever is being said but i feel such a surge of anger frustration, angusihs torment ect and i have NOWHERE for it to go except me. And i have lashed out at myself.
I have pummelled my own face and cut myself recently as a means of getting my frsutrations out.
I can't say it helped a whole lot but in a way it is satisfying. Death seems attractive but i'm scared of death as well. Mostly i just think abiut it. Sometimes i wish for the pain to get bad enough for me to have the guts to do it.
The world is an ugly, heartless, coruupt, lonely, wretched place.

I am alone

[eeyore]

Well i do understand self harming, i have vast experience in it. Im pleased to say ive not self harmed for 5 years now but i did do so on a regular basis and i unfortunately have long lasting scars on my arms and legs to prove it. I know the sense of relief that self harm can bring and there are no easy answers to stop it. For me accepting that i suffer from depression and that i always will was a big turning point in my life. I cant say i will never be really ill again, life has no guarantees. But i can look after myself and deal with my illness to the point that i can go on with living. I know there is no cure, there is only the relief from symptons, but things really can change. I joined this website to be able to talk to people like myself and share experiences. I am currently off sick from work with depression but luckily it is only a mild relapse and i am doing what i can to help myself. I know how you feel and i would hate to sound patronising but you are not alone. i

[cowboy-69]

This comes from personal experience. I've been diagnosed with clinical depression and bi-polar. In 2007 i tried 2 kill myself. I spent 4 months in hospital and 2 months in rehab learning how to walk again. While i was out there i met some inspirational people. Everyone says "There's always someone worse off in this world", i never believed it, but at rehab i met them, people that have had a leg amputated etc. They never let it slow them them down, they were happy. I thank the people and hospital staff that worked on me and saved my life.

I can see both sides of the arguement, but i don't see suicide as a selfish act. You put a sick or really injured pet down, i'm sure if they could talk they would want to be put down.
But at the same time, i can see why people say it's a cowards way out etc. People that say that though have never experienced depression. It'd be different if the shoe was on the other foot.

What i'm trying to get at is, suicide may SEEM like the only option at the time, but it's not. Every cloud does have a silver lining. Look at those around you, your friends, your family, those who love you, suicide may be a death sentence for you, but for them it's a life sentence.

I plead to anyone thinking about committing suicide, PLEASE PLEASE seek medical help. There are people out there that can help.

[vickiex]

but the people out there that are ment to help just dont alot of the time
i've been suffering from suicidal tendancies- depression and severe anxiety dissorder for over a year now- they've put me on meds that dont work- and councilling thats done fuck all

makes me really upset and make

vicious circle really
x

[cowboy-69]

Never listen to anything i have ever said. I'm full of sh!t. I have bi-polar depression, which means i really ever only experience periods of two moods, a high or a real low. Girls don't wanna be with me beacause of it, which i think is bloody cruel, but i can see their reason for it. Life really sucks for me. My family don't give any help or support, they'd rather have me committed to a mental hospital, my ex said goodbye because she couldn't handle it, same with this new girl i was seeing. I have no job, no car, no friends, and no special person in my life.
All i'm doing at the moment is existing, my life has no purpose. I have no reason to be on this earth.

[Valerie]

i understand why people dont want to talk about suicide and self-harm seriously, when you dont know anyone who hurts themselves it's easy to make jokes about it. some people do it for attention which is beyond stupid, and they are the ones who make people turn a blind eye when someone is really hurting and it probably contributes to the suicide rate because of that.

i tried to kill myself once - i failed obviously. but i wish i didnt. i hurts so much all the time. they say things will get better, but i cant wait for things to get better. i dont even want things to get better. i just want to finish it. no one would miss my anyway, i'd be doing everyone a favour. but i cant try again, for some reason. so i'm just waiting for it to happen. it's taking too long and it just hurts more and more with every second that i'm still alive. i dont want to be here.

[AussieExpat]

i tried to kill myself once - i failed obviously. but i wish i didnt.

Hi Valerie,

Sounds to me like you have travelled through some troubled waters and navigated yourself into a terribly sad state of affairs.

I am no expert, so I am careful in the words I choose to use. But hear me out.

You do not mention what your issues are. You do not mention that you will end things, once and for all. You do though mention society and others. . . What this suggests to me is that you are seeking to gain attention. I am not sure if this relates to either wanting to actually live, or to be noticed before you choose something much more selfish. Only you really know.

What I do know is that you do need to seek counselling support. There are some very good services in most states. Beyond Blue in Victoria, for example. These services can provide you with assistance and accommodate to your financial circumstances accordingly.

I do not mean to be the one to remind you but I think it is pretty obvious. . . You owe it to yourself, and no one else, to want to get things right. Society owes you nothing, people around you owe you nothing, if you are not prepared to help yourself first and foremost.

There is no easy solution. It takes a lot of time, effort and commitment. And sometimes, you won’t get it right the first time. But you must not give up.

(Life was not meant to be about quitting. So it comes to me as no surprise why some people do want an easy way out, in a society that has engineered us to think that the grass is sometimes always greener).

Sure, you may need a break - but in a healthier environment, away from all the intense crap you are in. But a break does not mean an escape from reality.

If you cannot afford to get away (like me, right now), then choose something – an activity, a broader circle of friends, whatever - that is important for you as an individual, that is positive and healthy. No one else needs to know - you are doing this for yourself.

At the end of the day, you have some really good options. You seem smart and articulate enough to know what some of these options are. Be brave, take a leap of faith, find a way to start believing in your self again.

Give things a go - find a qualified counselor and maybe start opening up to friends you can trust.

This is a big world with lots of people that are good, descent and understanding.

Give yourself a real break. Let go and move on. Forgive those who have not been so nice to you during this time. Your anger towards them will only add fuel to their beliefs about you.

You owe it to yourself to work things out.

Best of luck,
Aussie Expat

[cowboy-69]

My life has no meaning, no purpose, no reason to continue. I don't have a life, only an existence. By the time u read this i shall b finally at peace. Don't make the mistake that i've made, seek help, all is not lost, well 4 me it is. Goodbye

[Valerie]

"You do not mention what your issues are. You do not mention that you will end things, once and for all. You do though mention society and others. . . What this suggests to me is that you are seeking to gain attention. I am not sure if this relates to either wanting to actually live, or to be noticed before you choose something much more selfish. Only you really know."

I'm sorry you think that, but you dont know me. i'm not that kind of person. i wouldnt hurt myself or the people i love for attention. it's not one thing in particular - its a lot of things that have just built up over time and its too much. i also have a family history of depression...i never had a chance. nobody i know needs to hear about this. i just needed to unbottle a little bit so i dont crack in public. theres a lot of pressure on me at the moment and other things that i know i should deal with but i cant. i'd rather not go into details right now. but thankyou for your honesty

[AussieExpat]

Very quickly. . .We all have choices, chances, options. . . I am not using my family history as an excuse. Depression effects most of us. I think you are quite a smart and articulate person. It's okay to use this point of a communication as a release. However, I would strongly advise you seek counseling, and allow it time

Don't settle for a counselor until you are completely comfortable and confident in what guidance they have to provide. They are there to assist you map out your options. You may have used a counselor before. If it did not work, try and try again.

Just because you suffer depression, it is not to say that you are crazy. Life is manageable, and so too is depression for a lot of us - I think you, included.

Good luck!

[Blue]

Thanks for the feedback Aussie Expat

[Wolven1990]

I have to say I have attempted suicide once. Guess I didn't do my research properly because I woke up the next day. I felt so bad afterwards that I haven't tried again, even though I would desperately like to.

My parents say to me there will always be a light at the end of the tunnel, that I have been put through so much over the last year it's no wonder I'm feeling like this...but..all the time you just wonder 'when will the turning point in this be?'

I know that I don't want to feel like this, but it is something I cannot help. And I can fully understand the desire to commit suicide. Even if it is the wrong way out of the world. I can still totally understand the desire. I just try to think of how upset my family would be if I did that to them.

[Johnsons]

Hi
Me views that it is absolutely wrong thinking to do this,particularly those who have become completely hopeless in the life follow the path suicide which is not better for their whole family member.so each must be avoid such bad thinking.